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Valkyries

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Cobalt » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:49 am

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Gerhard » Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:24 pm

I wouldn’t call this a list of mainline ones though, as at least two are one-off customs.

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Re: Valkyries

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Gerhard » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:37 am

Any stat/information sites I've seen list the MAXL and Fire as one-off customs. I know I saw a green version of the fire, but again, a one-off (that I think was made by a fan? ).

As for some of the others... The Seiran-99Kou, Ve-88 Versten, and BG-5C Fatman were all from a design series by Kawamori. Some of the designs from that series did evolve into VFs used in macross (such Varuata Elgerzorene) but not these three.

List is also missing the VF-171, and I'm a little iffy on the VF-31 Siegfried, since what I understand, they are customized and improved VF-31 Kairos only used by Delta Flight, but I didn't watch the whole series and movie, so maybe that changed.

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Re: Valkyries

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Kosh » Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:47 pm

Its a cracking list regardless, some VFs there I have never seen before too. Cheers for sharing it.

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Gerhard » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:31 pm

I’ll give you the MAXL since I missed it, but it’s still not the one listed there. And I’m not saying the Wind isn’t canon, but I seriously doubt it was ever more than limited production run. Possibly a civilian model?

As to the VF-171... The VF-17 is the mass production version of the VF-17. Yes, it wasn’t produced in the numbers of the VF-1, VF-4, or VF1-11, but the design was distributed throughout the Spacy. It’s like the F-86 Sabre and the F-86D Sabre (Sabre Dog). They might share the nearly same name, but only had a 25% commonality between the airframes.

Now that bit about the Siegfried makes no sense. High stability? Maybe. Low maneuverability? No. They were meant for aerobatic performances in unison with Walküre. You would not want to make them less maneuverable.

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Kosh » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:55 pm

Is the difference not similar to the types of VF19's? We have a version for atmosphere and a version for space? Obviously not exclusive but one was more manoeuvrable in the environment it was designed for?

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Re: Valkyries

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Gerhard » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:05 pm

InfernosCaress wrote:I didn't make up the stuff about the Siegfried. It was listed in the design notes.

Links to those design notes would helpful. I've looked at two or three mecha stat sites and I don't recall seeing that.

In fact the Macross Compendium says this...
Forward-swept wing for improved maneuverability (VF-31C, E, F, J and S) at low speeds in atmosphere during Var suppression

And I've looked up those avionics terms. It seems more like Maneuverability and Controllability are opposing values, not Maneuverability and Stability, which makes much more sense to me. Some helpful info for me here.

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Kosh » Thu Nov 26, 2020 1:26 am

I'm not a technophile or anything but...

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Kosh » Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:39 am

Sadly as I do not read Japanese it would simply be a very expensive picture book for me :(

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Re: Valkyries

Postby Cobalt » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:13 am

That is awesome. I look forward to seeing the PDFs.
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