Marvel Civil War - Whose Side Are You On?

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Whose Side Are You On?

Pro Registration (Iron Man, Spider-man, Fantastic 4, etc)
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14%
Anti Registration (Capt America, Wolverine, Daredevil, etc)
13
62%
Undecided
5
24%
 
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Marvel Civil War - Whose Side Are You On?

Postby Halo » Thu Aug 10, 2006 8:47 pm

Anyone else reading "Marvel Civil War"?

Whose side are you on?? Iron Man or Captain America? Pro Registration or Anti Registration?
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Postby Sparky » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:33 pm

I've sided with the Anti-registration...mostly because Capt. America is the man, and no one can beat Thor...especially with Mjolnir.
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Postby Nomad Soul » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:35 pm

I haven't read enough of it to decide.

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Postby Blue Phoenix » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:41 pm

Always trust the man that can't die. Wolverine will lead us to victory.

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Postby araruin » Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:50 pm

Cap is the man. If he says your wrong, end of story.

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Postby Halo » Fri Aug 11, 2006 4:55 am

and no one can beat Thor...especially with Mjolnir.

Hmmmm . . . the end of #3 certainly makes it look like Thor's with the Pro Registration side.

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Postby Halo » Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:17 am

As a reader and as a comic fan, I’m pulling for Captain America mostly for the reason Araruin mentioned . . . the man is never wrong, and never ever loses. Also, the Pro Registration side has mostly been painted as the “bad guys”, jerks and aggressors . . . plus, it’s considered “not cool” to agree with government policies, especially with the Iraq War. Not to mention it’s guaranteed that the Pro Registration will lose this since keeping it in force would pretty much ruin Marvel Comics as we know it.

But I’m trying to view this from the point of view of if I was really living in this world.

Would you want any yahoo who puts on a mask to have the power to determine what’s right or wrong and enforce it with violence? All done without any accountability (hiding behind a mask, running off after the fights, etc).

We register people to carry firearms. Why shouldn’t we register people who can destroy city blocks with their minds? (edit: to be clear I'm speaking of people with such powers acting as vigilanties . . . we can have the Mutant Registration debate some other time :D )

You have to be certified to perform virtually every other profession, including law enforcement. A cop needs to go through an academy, but Joe Blow in spandex and a cape should be allowed to fly around beating people up without any proof that he knows what he’s doing?

Although you don’t have to unmask publicly (only reveal your true identity to the authorities . . . and SHIELD already knows who you are anyway), I agree with Aunt May. “Ben, and then you, always said, ‘with great power comes great responsibility.’ And responsibility means you don’t run away when someone asks, ‘Who did that?’”

And also “Every day, prosecutors and judges and governors and senators go to work, knowing their loved ones may be jeopardized by their work. But they don’t wear masks. Do you know why? Because their loved ones want it that way. Because they would rather die than see the face they love, the face that gives so much to the world, covered in shame.”

Aunt May is the one who swayed me to the Pro Registration side. Of course this will all mean spit when Mary Jane dies in a couple weeks (not a spoiler . . . just my best guess of where this all is heading, especially since Joe Quesada has been trying to break up Peter and Mary Jane since he took over as Editor in Chief).
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Postby Blue Phoenix » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:38 am

I'm not going to be as lengthy as the great Halo here. But, registering a gun, and something natural is on two different grounds.

Mutant registration would be like telling every man, woman, and child that they have to register their hands. Since, you could use your hands to pommel someone's face into the ground no? Our hands come with us, and we have a choice on how to use those hands. If we abuse our powers, then we should be punished. But, I do not believe we should be marked/registered for having hands.

Though, on another point. If you were to say that mutant registration was another form of Social Security card, as in everyone should get them and proves beneficial to those that do, then I will agree. Mutant registration would be a marvelous thing if the card provided health insurance to visit specialists that know how to deal with the mutant body. Even if it is a veiled way of finding out who are mutants or not, benefits can sometimes outweigh the risks.

Now, Aunt May is a wonderful woman, I'll give you that. But, she did also tell Peter another thing. I don't have the exact qoute, but it was to take care of yourself. You can't let yourself fall to harm, and by registering, mutants could become the target of anti mutant hatred.

Merg, now I'm tired. Buh bye.

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Postby Halo » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:26 am

I think you’re a bit confused, Phoenix (maybe that nap will help :) ) Marvel Civil War, and the topic of this poll, is about the Superhero Registration Act which is not the same as the Mutant Registration Act.

Mutant Registration says everyone who is born with a certain genetic difference needs to be registered, and, presumably, classified different than the so-called “normal” people.

Superhero Registration says you can’t put on a mask and deliver justice without being registered and properly trained to do so. This doesn’t affect a mutant until they decide to use their powers as a vigilante. This is also why very few mutants are involved in the Civil War . . . it's almost entirely the non-mutant population like Captain America, Iron Man, Spider-man, the Fantastic Four, Doctor Strange, Daredevil, etc).

Mutant registration would be like telling every man, woman, and child that they have to register their hands. Since, you could use your hands to pommel someone's face into the ground no? Our hands come with us, and we have a choice on how to use those hands.

Which I believe is exactly the point of this legislation. Superhero Registration doesn’t punish people “for having hands”. It just says you can’t use your “hands” to act as an authority higher than the law without being held accountable for those acts.


(BTW - some of the confusion may be from someone erroneously editing this poll to change the title to “Mutant Registration – Whose Side Are You On?” I have corrected that error).

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Postby Blue Phoenix » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:22 am

Ah, yep, Needed that nap. ^^ I think best when half asleep, but I also read with less accuracy.

And yes, it did say Mutant ^^ So, that was why I probably wrote what I did. I refrained at first about saying much, 'cept go wolverine, because I didn't know what it was about. >.>

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Postby Xuric » Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:04 pm

er... yes, it did say "mutant" registration. That was my mistake. I didn't clearly read the topic, and edited the topic to be a bit more clear as to the scope of the poll and topic in general. Sorry about the confusion.

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Postby Halo » Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:51 pm

I refrained at first about saying much, 'cept go wolverine, because I didn't know what it was about. >.>

Then get your ass to a comic store and read this stuff! By far this is the best "Comic Event" of the last several years!!

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Postby Blue Phoenix » Fri Aug 11, 2006 3:36 pm

Sorry, not into comic books/graphic novels

I'm poor, so I can't afford to spend even ten dollars on an extra character slot in guild wars. >.> College student who tries to watch his spending. I know, Ironic.

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Anti-Registration

Postby MustangGT02 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:12 pm

Cap is the man! Nuff said.

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Postby araruin » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:57 pm

There is one part of the registration act that hasn't been touched on. It's the part that says that if you have powers, you HAVE to register AND work for shield. When asked if she would have to become a shield agent, pregnant Jessica Drew was told that they could probably make an exception for her.

It's bad enough that you register people in the first place for their genetics, but this is like telling people that if you are tall you have to play basketball or if you are smart you have to become a scientist. This begins to sound alot like some governments that we have called enemies of freedom.

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Postby Halo » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:05 pm

It's the part that says that if you have powers, you HAVE to register AND work for shield.

Hmmm... I'll have to re-read that issue of Avengers. My impression was that Jessica Jones (not Drew) was jumping to conclusions. The SHIELD agents came to the house for Luke, not her. They were only targeting active heroes, and those (like Luke) who are very vocal that they plan to continue their vigilantism even when the law says it's illegal.

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Anti registration

Postby MustangGT02 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 9:19 pm

Why would Cap have to register? Hes not a mutant, hes a genetic experiment. Right?

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Postby Sparky » Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:39 pm

I beleive, although he didn't physically register, Captain America IS already registered. He was part of the military.

Why would Cap have to register? Hes not a mutant, hes a genetic experiment. Right?

It's not only mutants that we are talking about, it's ALL super heroes/heroines. if it was only mutants, Thor wouldn't have to register, Cpt. America wouldn't have to, The Hulk wouldn't have to...and lot's of the others wouldn't have to register.

Also, is Green Lantern in these comics? haven't seen him in a while.
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Postby camk4evr » Sat Aug 12, 2006 1:15 am

I voted for 'anti-registration' mostly because I don't like how those who are pro-registration are behaving (Spider-man appears to be the only pro who questions whether or not he's doing the right thing). Besides, how far can S.H.E.I.L.D be trusted considering the events in the first few issues of 'New Avenger'? Read "Civil War: Front Line" #3 (that's the most recent one, right?) for another good reason.

On the other hand I'd agree with Halo if I were living in that world.

Also, is Green Lantern in these comics? haven't seen him in a while.

No. Green Lantern is DC, not Marvel.

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Postby Halo » Sat Aug 12, 2006 6:09 am

I voted for 'anti-registration' mostly because I don't like how those who are pro-registration are behaving

Yeah, I agree wholeheatedly that the Pro-Registration side is acting like a bunch of dicks, they've been very thoroughly painted as the "bad guys", and the Anti side has to win this or Marvel Comics is doomed.

However, I don't think the Anti side is really behaving properly either. They're acting in a way that looks "cool" and sells comics, but this is a LAW. The voice of the American People has been heard and it has been voted by congress into law. It's okay to dislike the law. It's okay to yell and scream that. But it's not okay to say "we don't need to obey your laws! We've got superhuman powers and can do what we want" and then put on your mask and cape flying around breaking laws with neither authority or accountability.

If they wanted to do things right, they wouldn't register (according the the panel at HeroCon they *do* have the right to say no), they wouldn't continue their illegal vigilante acts, and they would hire some kick-ass lawyers to challenge this law.

Unfortunately, working with the system is never cool, and rarely sells comics.

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Postby Mr.F » Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:25 am

Odd... Iron Man pro registration and Cpt America against. Odd given that I can't remember Iron Man ever giving upp his identity in the past... Cpt America have.

/Mr.F - Haven't actualy read any of civil-war though

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Postby Sparky » Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:19 am

If they wanted to do things right, they wouldn't register (according the the panel at HeroCon they *do* have the right to say no), they wouldn't continue their illegal vigilante acts, and they would hire some kick-ass lawyers to challenge this law.

The Justice Friends had enough money to build their space station, why can't Captain America hire a layer or two.

In my eyes, I think the Captain would be the MOST likely to try to work the system. He's a purebread american and he's more of a patriot than any five other heroes put together. But you make good point that the 'good guys' as it seems in the comics are actually the one breaking the Registration Laws.

Even though that does waver m vote slightly, I'm still gonna have to stick to the Anti-Registration team.
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Postby araruin » Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:12 pm

Cap's lawyer was already in jail for violating the registration act(Matt Murdock/Daredevil).

I just noticed that the Pro side lists the FF as pro. That isn't entirely true. Reed Richards supports registration, and his wife is pretty pissed at him. According to the FF book, it also seems that Ben Grimm isn't too sure about the registration act either.

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Postby Blue Phoenix » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:17 pm

Oh lord, it seems all the good things in the world must come to an end, huh? No longer can a man dress up in an outfit, pummel a guy in the face, and declare his job done anymore. Now, he has to file paperwork?

Next up, I bet they're going to be having this happen. (Superman is DC, but still works)

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Postby Halo » Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:59 pm

Odd... Iron Man pro registration and Cpt America against. Odd given that I can't remember Iron Man ever giving upp his identity in the past...

Yeah, Tony Stark has fought insanely hard in the past to prove he is not Iron Man, only to now come out. But the thing is, more than any other character in the Marvel Universe, Tony Stark represents “The Man”. He’s a multi-billionaire industrialist, former Secretary of Defense (under a Republican Administration), a completely unsympathetic ass, and (according to some) he’s the “Shadow President” and the man who’s truly calling the shots in the White House. This all makes him the best hero to paint as a “bad guy”.


In my eyes, I think the Captain would be the MOST likely to try to work the system. He's a purebread american and he's more of a patriot than any five other heroes put together.

I agree, and that’s what bugs me the most. He’s the guy who busts a villain and says something like “No one’s above the law!” and “You’ll have your day in court!” . . . but now he’s saying screw the law and democracy. I’ll do what I want . . . I’m The Cap!! Which is almost as cool as being “The Hoff”.

In his defense, I will say they structured things to look like he didn’t have much of a choice. Right from the word go the new director of SHIELD had a squad of men aiming rifles at him and shouting orders at him. And The Cap don’t play that!

And thank God he doesn’t, ‘cause it results in an amazing scene of ass kicking. Again, if you’re not reading this series, you need to!


Cap's lawyer was already in jail for violating the registration act(Matt Murdock/Daredevil).

Murdock was in jail months before the Registration Act . . . but as I understand it he’s in jail for other crimes committed by Daredevil, so that’s kind of related I guess.


I just noticed that the Pro side lists the FF as pro.

Cool, I’ll correct that above and (just for craps and giggles) I’ll paste in the official list below. I’ve never read FF, and that crap-tastic movie didn’t do anything to make me a fan either! :P

EDIT" Hmmm . . . looks like I can't edit the poll info to correct the FF situation. Oh well, at the start of it they were all Pro-Registration except maybe Human Torch, so that's my excuse. LOL



PRO REGISTRATION
Active enforcers
* Black Widow
* Doc Samson
* Iron Man
* Mr. Fantastic
* Phone Ranger (Halo Note: Who???)
* She-Hulk
* Spider-Man
* Tigra
* Thor
* Wasp
* Yellowjacket

Registered heroes
* Great Lakes Champions
o Big Bertha
o Doorman
o Flatman
o Mr. Immortal
o Squirrel Girl
o Tippy Toe
* Sentry
* Hellcat
* Thor Girl
* Two-Gun Kid

Government trainers
* Ms. Marvel
* Wonder Man

Government enforcers
* Deadpool
* Heroes for Hire
o American Samurai
o Black Cat
o Colleen Wing
o Humbug
o Misty Knight
o Orka
o Paladin
o Shang Chi
o Tarantula
* S.H.I.E.L.D.
o Agent 13
o Dum-Dum Dugan
o Maria Hill
o Gabriel Jones
o Agent Jamie Madrox
o Eric Marshall
o The Superhuman Restraint Unit
+ Abrams
* Thunderbolts
o Atlas
o Baron Zemo
o Blizzard
o Fixer
o Joystick
o Mach-IV
o Radioactive Man
o Smuggler
o Songbird
o Swordsman


ANTI-REGISTRATION
The Secret Avengers
* Cable
* Luke Cage
* Captain America
* Cloak and Dagger
* Falcon
* Jane Foster
* Nick Fury
* Goliath
* Hercules
* Iron Fist
* Nighthawk
* Night Nurse
* Young Avengers
o Hulkling
o Hawkeye
o Patriot
o Speed
o Stature
o Vision
o Wiccan

The Underground Resistance
* Gladiatrix
* Battlestar
* Solo
* Typeface
* Network

Un-Registered heroes

* Aegis
* Araña
* Debrii
* Jessica Jones
* Justice
* Quicksilver
* Rage
* Runaways
o Karolina Dean
o Molly Hayes
o Victor Mancha
o Nico Minoru
o Chase Stein
o Xavin
* Shroud
* Silverclaw
* Slapstick
* Spider-Woman
* Stingray
* Thunderclap
* Timeslip
* Ultra Girl

Registered opponents
* Arachne
* Invisible Woman
* X-Factor Investigations
o Jamie Madrox (Multiple Man)
o Layla Miller
o M
o Rictor
o Siryn
o Strong Guy
o Wolfsbane

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